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"Unconcious speciesism"

Post by ShyneSilverWolf » April 4th, 2017, 10:13 pm

As a former merber from herpy for around 1 year, i've gathered enough informations and variations of people's behavior towards other species, it an unconcious or conscious subject depending onto the person but i've recently covered out a big part of it.

in other words "dragons tend to treat other species differently" don't agree with me? post your opinions onto about the matter.

i't's been quite a while that i've been gathering information about users that have a dragon character and then switch out for something different, their interations are affected drastically, there are some exceptions as we're aware of course but overall, "if you're not a dragon, you're basically going to work your way to be accepted". "But if you're a dragon you just have to flop into the middle of the entire chat and people will start regconizing you. As a wolf, i'm 100% sure of this affirmation because i've lived through it and it sucks to be in the side of the person that isn't a dragon.

This post was made not to rant about the system but just to clarify some interactions that some people tend to have as we clearly see some people that are "Dragon Only" :|
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Post by LokiDragon » April 5th, 2017, 1:00 am

This is something I've been interested in for quiet some time actually Shyne! I think it comes down to how and why you choose your sona (even if you're doing it subconsciously). Dragons are fictional creatures that have been used as a literally monstrous form of villain for generations, they are solitary and brooding by nature they're also a force to be reckoned with, intelligence and able to cause mass destruction at will.

Now I'm sure this is going to upset a few members but I honestly don't care, people who choose a dragon as their sona fit a general pattern, (I'm not excluding myself from this) they find it hard to communicate with others in general, tend to obsess over things to high degree, also are very prone to emotional swings get stressed out easily. Now people like myself find comfort maybe even a feeling of kinship from these beasts of wing and claw because they are so familiar to ourselves. The same seems to apply to other media monsters such as sharks and crocodiles.

Now I'm just stabbing in the dark here but I'm guessing wolves appeal to you because they're social creatures, can be affectionate and are devoted to others in their social group? If so you've got a kind of square peg scenario in that you will have to work harder to warm up the more scalie members of the community it's hard to get out of habits when it comes to talking to non scalies.

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Re: "Unconcious speciesism"

Post by CrankyMoose » April 22nd, 2017, 7:20 am

I think this is a bit of a non issue. But it's interesting to think if people's animal interests reflects other qualities they have

"they find it hard to communicate with others in general, tend to obsess over things to high degree, also are very prone to emotional swings get stressed out easily." - I figured these were just typical aspbergers traits... though nothing you said was untrue Loki :)
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Re: "Unconcious speciesism"

Post by Saber » April 22nd, 2017, 1:43 pm

I think the whole "speciesism" issue boils down to the fact that people connect better with those that share similar interest or have more in common with each other.

Now, this is coming from a dragon who hides under a rock. =P The chatrooms that I do take part in are typically filled with dragons or gryphons--two species that I am familiar and comfortable with.

Personally, I don't talk to very many people anyway, but the majority of people I do talk to are dragons. That is simply because that my interests revolve around scaly creatures. I have non-dragon, furry friends too, and I enjoy talking to them as well; I treat them no differently than my dragon friends. I make a conscious effort to treat everyone equally, furry, scaly, or whatever, but I won't actively seek out companionship from people I don't know, and I don't know many furries.

As Loki said, some of us may unconsciously choose our 'sona based on our personalities. Us hoomans tend to follow a sense of familiarity and are far more comfortable staying within that social bubble.

In your case, Shyne, you are literally a wolf among dragons (and other scaly creatures). It's not to say you shouldn't be accepted or have to go through being outside the social circle, but this is a reptile lover's site, so mostly everyone here has a centralized interest around dragons. People tend to seek out what interests them.

From my personal experiences, the issue of "speciesism" is garnered by the lack of familiarity or interest in another species. Saying that "dragons treat other species differently" would be the same as saying "wolves, foxes, felines, etc. treat other species differently". It's just how people work.
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Re: "Unconcious speciesism"

Post by ShyneSilverWolf » May 11th, 2017, 4:11 am

irs easy for all of you to say what you all said but I'm literally requesting for respect, not attention, you guys have to experience what it is to feel like me and understand that it's something growing to point that if someone doesn't like your species, you're liklely to get hated, wha the atual Fuck is wrong with people that does that?
Does it hurt to know that you're talking to another human and you're not superior or what ever the fuck you think you are? We are the same because, it's literally 2 people taking to each other thought the bloody pc. All I am asking, it's tô Just don't treat me different or with less respect, that's all I ask, because I have seen all sorts of exclusive groups, where they only allow 1 type of species and I've been destroying that thought on the most minds that I come across because I do not want anyone to ever feel what I did in the past. Nobody deserves that and really, if you haven't lived through that, you cannot say how it truly feels like.

I can be a wolf within dragons, that's true, but is it so much to request for respect? And actually some bit of humanity too? Because I'm no monster...I'm not rude... I'm not scary...I'm just literally asking for someone to talk :/
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Re: "Unconcious speciesism"

Post by Aracth'nil » May 11th, 2017, 12:50 pm

I personally have to admit... I'm a little lost when it comes to this thread. With all due respect, I do think that you are a bit misplaced within this community. Given this is a reptile forum, I think there's always going to be a bit of an outsider element. Given that, I want to ask, have you checked out other furry communities? I'm sure a few of us here could also point you to those sites, given a lot of us are also on those types of sites for furry reasons. However, I do understand that this community may be more personal because of our small size so far, and I'm pretty sure there are furries here anyway.

Given our minority status in society, pretty sure a lot of us can relate with hate. Feel free to take up with Val if you have any concerns - but enjoy the forums most of all. People will be glad to talk to you. Try the Discord chat as well perhaps?
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Post by 64Dragonheart64 » May 12th, 2017, 1:25 pm

(He is in discord btw. Odd that you are not active there anymore Ar)
I have to side with Aracth'nil here, and with all due respect. Herpy has always been a scalie community since its early days and -correct me if i'm wrong- i think that there are plenty of more furry communities than scalie ones.
Still, no matter if we are furries or scalies, dragons or otherwise, we are still human beings and i'm sure that you'll fit fine here anyway. Still, i've seen you on Discord, and i haven't noticed anything off while you interacted with people...
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Re: "Unconcious speciesism"

Post by ShyneSilverWolf » May 20th, 2017, 9:48 am

you guys aren't a different community btw, this is still the same fandom as for all of us, scalies aren't a sub group they are part of the middle term of the furries since a large part of the entire fandom is made of dragons and btw, it was supposed to not sound rude but it did ._. you basically said with other words that this is not my place and i should search for a "furry" place to be in, and tbh, i don't wanna cause any drama or problems, i just wanted to see if other people would take the treat seriously and think with me. that was the entire point of this, have you ever putted yourself in the skin of a non dragon before? it fits the topic because it's apoint of view about these creatures
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Post by Aracth'nil » May 20th, 2017, 2:56 pm

To be honest, I'm as part of the furry community as you are, I'm just more active here on scalie sites then general furry sites. Furry led me here after all. I'm not saying this isn't or shouldn't be your place, but rather for furrys in general there are way larger and established groups than us. I guess if you like the small community as I do, there's no reason stopping you from staying here, but I think most of the members will more focus on scalie stuff in their posts. I mean this forum gets hardly any posts nowadays, and about half are just RP posts happening on a regular basis. Getting the userbase up is probably the biggest issue right now which is probably one of the main reasons for the niche thing.
On the whole species matter, I'm one of those people who considers themselves human but long to be of a different species because I consider wolves, dragons, etc to be majestic or admirable in some way. No matter your individual beliefs, this is a place to chat amongst others who are minorities as well and potentially outcasts.
Anyway, I hope to see you around the place!
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Post by Koatliqua » May 31st, 2017, 10:54 pm

I think as a general rule furries and scalies are just unsociable, as has already been mentioned.

I have interacted with a group of furries only twice; the first time I was with my boyfriend and the local furry meeting was taking place in a local pub. Nobody made any effort to really interact - we introduced ourselves, nobody else did. Everyone stuck to their own groups. At first I was angry because it came across as very rude, then I remembered that most of the people in the fandom tend to be special and that they perhaps don't mean it.

The second time, we met a group while they were having a march through the city, and we joined them later in the evening while they were having a party thing in a church (of all places!). I a relatively normal girl there and surprise surprise she was so happy to see us because she'd met someone she could actually communicate with! I spent the evening chatting with her with the odd interruption which generally had us cringing or rolling our eyes, but nobody else made any realistic attempt to communicate or socialise - not that I think they don't want to, just because I don't think they're capable - as has been mentioned, people with these interests tend to be somewhere on the autistic spectrum.
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Post by LokiDragon » June 4th, 2017, 11:59 pm

Apparently the furry community has a higher percentage of autistic tendencies. Is that such a bad thing on the grand scheme of things though I mean okay sure members have a hard time interacting in a average manner but I've met some genuinely smart friendly people in this community (Don't get me wrong I've met some ass hats too but they seem to be of a minority) about 80% of my real life friends are autistic it's more about how you come across than sitting in a room waiting for someone to start a conversation...

Plus is it any surprize the scalie/furry community appeals to the aspergers/autism mentality? I mean like all the reasons I stated earlier as well as the fact Human beings cause us so much confusion and stress? This is something I was talking about, with Shyne when he first posted this thread, that it's easier for some of us to get by with just typing "Roarrrr" or "Flops in" than having a long winded conversation about the state of things in the world today... People come here to get away from all that, but unfortunately reality has a nasty habit of seeping in.

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Post by Koatliqua » June 10th, 2017, 2:04 pm

If iwe had been sitting there waiting for a conversation to start then yes, I would have accepted if nobody spoke to us. What was frustrating was that we were trying to chat with them, we were very polite and genuine, and it was like drawing blood from a stone. I'm not surprised, I imagine most people in these groups have been bullied at some point in their lives and friends don't come easily so when some "normal" people come by and start chatting they're not going to be too warm given their history.

As much as it may seem useful to allow autistic people to escape reality, is that something we should be encouraging? Yes, escapism is nice, but it's something that ought to be confined to books and games and movies. When you separate yourself from reality and place a barrier up, it results in problems.

I'm writing this from the perspective of someone without autism, and I imagine we're in the minority in the scalie interest.
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