Herpy.nu is now closed and archived - will be replaced by something new and better.

Herpy has had a good 13 year run and will never be forgotten for those of us who experienced it. Sadly the site is today unappealing and is no longer fit for the audience of 2018. The gallery will remain operational until further notice. You can follow me on Twitter for further developments. We also have a Discord server which has become the heart of the community. If you wish to join it, send me a PM over Twitter.

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Post by Enthralled » February 9th, 2017, 8:12 am

Also some suggestions but there wasn't a sub-forum specifically for general site discussion/suggestions so...

First, the questions. What exactly happened to the old forum? From what I've learned, browsing around in some threads, the host dropped the old site out of nowhere? If so, didn't you guys have any backups saved of the forum files/database and/or the gallery?

And now for the suggestions. It seems you guys are really dropping off in members sadly. But this simply shouldn't be as, although the scaly community is definitely small compared to the normal furry community, it's not THAT small. I believe the main problem is simply that Herpy is beginning to drop off the internet radar in general as less and less people talk about or even know of its existence and thus, Google doesn't see it as too relevant anymore either. And the forums getting suddenly ripped out really didn't help things either of course. XP

But it's OK! This is where my suggestions come in. We need to start banding together and start uniting other scalys around the interwebs and also begin to advertise on major social media platforms, Facebook and Twitter excluded because a lot of people usually don't want to let their fetishes known to everyone on their Facebook of course. lol And Twitter is turning more and more into a toxic abomination.

I would definitely start first in the reddit circles. I have done some work for you all and very highly recommend talking to mods of these sub-reddits:
https://www.reddit.com/r/scaley/
https://www.reddit.com/r/scalieporn/
https://www.reddit.com/r/dragons/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DragonsFuckingDragons/

Ask them all to simply link this forum in the subreddit's sidebar as a resource so we can finally start banding together and build this quirky fandom. If they need further incentives, tell them this site can host a convenient easy-to-access place for all scaly art. You can also try paying a bit for advertising on FurAffinity.

Now, each of these individually probably isn't gonna do all that much to bolster numbers, but done together... Yeah.

As for who I am and why I'm trying to help you guys out... Well, I don't know why but I do feel something very different in being scaly and also being a part of this community that I don't feel in any other community. It's hard to describe... It just strangely feels really good. I don't know...

But I don't want to get weird and I'm not what matters right now. This community matters and I want to save it and not just that, I want to see it thrive. And we can do that! We just need to do a bit of legwork.

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Re: Hey! Just a few questions...

Post by Ethos » February 9th, 2017, 10:26 am

Enthralled wrote: What exactly happened to the old forum? From what I've learned, browsing around in some threads, the host dropped the old site out of nowhere? If so, didn't you guys have any backups saved of the forum files/database and/or the gallery
To make a long story short, the company (Bad Dragon) that previously owned the herpy.net forum and gallery dropped it because the old vBulletin forum software had developed significant server-side problems and was becoming increasingly erratic. It was getting to the point where much of the membership abandoned the forums and used more stable and reliable online chat instead. Similar issues were reported for the old 4images gallery software which was suffering from frequent slowdowns and timeouts, making it increasingly frustrating to maintain. It was determined that the required repairs would be time consuming and not worth pursuing as the company was at that time in the process launching the beta version of FurryNetwork. Clearly it made no sense to invest limited staff time and resources into repairs for the old herpy site when FN was coming online and was an obvious resource priority. There was of course the expected corporate spin and silly rumors regarding the site's demise which are very easily debunked, but the simple truth is that herpy.net was dropped as it was simply not worth the investment of time in repairs. Furthermore, one cannot expect a company to continue supporting a website that would have been essentially a competitor to their new fandom social networking site.

Having been involved in the old herpy.net from literal day one, I am currently writing a detailed article which discusses the site's history from its unexpected origins to the events that led to its abrupt end and current rebirth under Valcyrie's ownership. It is about 50% complete, but currently on hold as restoring the gallery is the primary concern.

We had a full backup of the gallery, most of which has been restored with just a couple more picture folders to go before the video section can be added back. However, while the gallery had been privately backed up by several members, the original forum software is not available.

In regard to membership numbers, it is important to note that the original forum was mostly composed of dead spam accounts with only a tiny minority active. The new site is now being regularly purged of spam accounts.

I agree that this new site, which is no longer associated with Bad Dragon and its controversies, has the potential to become a popular networking site for the 'scaly' community which has long existed in the shadows of the general 'furry' fandom.

I hope this information proves to be of use and thank you for your input.

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Post by Enthralled » February 9th, 2017, 10:42 am

Ethos wrote:
Enthralled wrote: What exactly happened to the old forum? From what I've learned, browsing around in some threads, the host dropped the old site out of nowhere? If so, didn't you guys have any backups saved of the forum files/database and/or the gallery
To make a long story short, the company (Bad Dragon) that previously owned the herpy.net forum and gallery dropped it because the old vBulletin forum software had developed significant server-side problems and was becoming increasingly erratic. It was getting to the point where much of the membership abandoned the forums and used more stable and reliable online chat instead. Similar issues were reported for the old 4images gallery software which was suffering from frequent slowdowns and timeouts, making it increasingly frustrating to maintain. It was determined that the required repairs would be time consuming and not worth pursuing as the company was at that time in the process launching the beta version of FurryNetwork. Clearly it made no sense to invest limited staff time and resources into repairs for the old herpy site when FN was coming online and was an obvious resource priority. There was of course the expected corporate spin and silly rumors regarding the site's demise which are very easily debunked, but the simple truth is that herpy.net was dropped as it was simply not worth the investment of time in repairs. Furthermore, one cannot expect a company to continue supporting a website that would have been essentially a competitor to their new fandom social networking site.

Having been involved in the old herpy.net from literal day one, I am currently writing a detailed article which discusses the site's history from its unexpected origins to the events that led to its abrupt end and current rebirth under Valcyrie's ownership. It is about 50% complete, but currently on hold as restoring the gallery is the primary concern.

We had a full backup of the gallery, most of which has been restored with just a couple more picture folders to go before the video section can be added back. However, while the gallery had been privately backed up by several members, the original forum software is not available.

In regard to membership numbers, it is important to note that the original forum was mostly composed of dead spam accounts with only a tiny minority active. The new site is now being regularly purged of spam accounts.

I agree that this new site, which is no longer associated with Bad Dragon and its controversies, has the potential to become a popular networking site for the 'scaly' community which has long existed in the shadows of the general 'furry' fandom.

I hope this information proves to be of use and thank you for your input.
Thank you for such a quick reply.

So you guys didn't have access to the vBulletin SQL database?

Also, will you and/or site staff indeed be reaching out to the other scaly communities or have these things already been suggested or... ?

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Post by Rendrassa » February 9th, 2017, 7:02 pm

For my part, I try to convert dragons I meet on FA to joining Herpy. It's not a fast way of increasing our numbers, but I have converted a few for the cause. XD

I don't think we'll have the funds for advertising until the gallery starts earning some kind of revenue.
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Post by Enthralled » February 9th, 2017, 9:00 pm

Rendrassa wrote:For my part, I try to convert dragons I meet on FA to joining Herpy. It's not a fast way of increasing our numbers, but I have converted a few for the cause. XD

I don't think we'll have the funds for advertising until the gallery starts earning some kind of revenue.
That's really cool and a good idea... Do all the people who at least visit the site desire to stay?

As to paid advertising, it probably shouldn't be done anyway until we get a few more people.

Also @admins: Logging into the site on mobile doesn't really work at all unless you check the Remember me box.

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Post by LokiDragon » February 9th, 2017, 9:45 pm

Rendrassa wrote:For my part, I try to convert dragons I meet on FA to joining Herpy. It's not a fast way of increasing our numbers, but I have converted a few for the cause.
Me too I've a link to the site on my FA account. A few of the older members have said they found it through my link... Although I'm not sure of exact numbers.

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Post by Rendrassa » February 10th, 2017, 7:10 am

The ones I've shown tended to stay, though one didn't come back after the site went down. As for ads, we might not have many members, but Herpy was never sustained by members in the past. The gallery drew in a lot of traffic, far more than the forums ever did. We still don't have a lot of traffic, but as the gallery, especially the videos, are restored, things will pick up. You can see how many views each folder has. As far as I know, those are all unique views.
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Post by Enthralled » February 10th, 2017, 8:47 am

Rendrassa wrote:The ones I've shown tended to stay, though one didn't come back after the site went down. As for ads, we might not have many members, but Herpy was never sustained by members in the past. The gallery drew in a lot of traffic, far more than the forums ever did. We still don't have a lot of traffic, but as the gallery, especially the videos, are restored, things will pick up. You can see how many views each folder has. As far as I know, those are all unique views.
Probably so, but I think we can make the forums even more active!

And actually it's a little strange that they've all stayed, barring that one that left when the site went down. Most new forum users in general will come and post for a bit and then go down in activity until they're gone. Just to be absolutely sure though, you're saying at least 3/4ths of the people you've attracted to the site have ended up staying in at least some capacity?

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Post by Ethos » February 11th, 2017, 9:10 am

Enthralled wrote:So you guys didn't have access to the vBulletin SQL database?

Also, will you and/or site staff indeed be reaching out to the other scaly communities or have these things already been suggested or... ?
The SQL database is the property of the company who used to own Herpy.net and as such none of us have access to it.

As for reaching out to other communities, I am not sure of any current plans as my role here is primarily restoring and watching over the gallery, just as I did on the old site.

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Post by Enthralled » February 11th, 2017, 2:19 pm

Ethos wrote:
Enthralled wrote:So you guys didn't have access to the vBulletin SQL database?

Also, will you and/or site staff indeed be reaching out to the other scaly communities or have these things already been suggested or... ?
The SQL database is the property of the company who used to own Herpy.net and as such none of us have access to it.

As for reaching out to other communities, I am not sure of any current plans as my role here is primarily restoring and watching over the gallery, just as I did on the old site.
Roger that. That blows... :P Ah well, it's done now.

Okie. So Valcyrie would be the one to talk to then?

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Post by Valcyrie » February 12th, 2017, 7:38 pm

Enthralled wrote:Okie. So Valcyrie would be the one to talk to then?
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Jokes aside, though:
Enthralled wrote:What exactly happened to the old forum? From what I've learned, browsing around in some threads, the host dropped the old site out of nowhere? If so, didn't you guys have any backups saved of the forum files/database and/or the gallery?
Perhaps Ethology was a bit too politically correct or misphrased his reply, but the official reason given by the old host (Varka and his Bad Dragon company) is what Ethos said - that it wasnt worth his time and effort maintaining. Except for the fact that Varka hadnt set his foot in this community for years and had more or less nothing to do with it anymore. However part of the site's old history was used to slander him and in a real knee-jerk move he removed everything that could be a threat to his business. I would be more forgiving and understanding about the whole ordeal had he not turned us who staffed the site into scapegoats. This is why we don't have any backups of the old site either: Varka thrones upon all of it and despite my pleas and attempts to reason he refused to give us anything. The gallery is now mostly restored thanks to personal backups from really helpful members but the forum had to start over from a clean slate.
Enthralled wrote:And now for the suggestions.

I would definitely start first in the reddit circles.

You can also try paying a bit for advertising on FurAffinity.
Suggestions are always welcome :3 If you have looked around a bit, especially in the last announcements, you will see that I'm trying to make this community "by creators, for creators (and appreciators!). Our resources are limited but we gotta start somewhere, right? The server we're hosted on is rather powerful and designed to handle a good deal of preassure once the community grows.

I've actually linked Herpy in 2 of the reddits you mentioned here, but perhaps we should post again. I'm not using reddit much though so if someone who is more familiar with the place and its rules is wanting to help it would be appreciated.

As for advertising - I'm afraid its a no-go. Despite setting up both PayPal and Patreon, I'm still paying for the upkeep of this site largely out of my own pocket. If more people would be willing to help that'd be great and we could invest more in the future of the community.
Enthralled wrote:As for who I am and why I'm trying to help you guys out... Well, I don't know why but I do feel something very different in being scaly and also being a part of this community that I don't feel in any other community. It's hard to describe... It just strangely feels really good. I don't know...
It makes me very happy to hear that! ^.-.^ Herpy has always been a special place for its members and those who come tend to stay. The whole reason I booted this whole new site back up was because of my love for this community. I have so many ties through many years of my life to it.
Enthralled wrote:So you guys didn't have access to the vBulletin SQL database?
As mentioned before, no. Varka refuses to release any part of it.
Enthralled wrote:Also, will you and/or site staff indeed be reaching out to the other scaly communities or have these things already been suggested or... ?
I think this can be a good idea, but I think we still have a pretty bad reputation among many people, despite it being undeserved. And as a member of staff people don't talk to me much anymore about what they think so I'm somewhat in the dark here. Perhaps more are willing to look into us now that we've fully broken away from Bad Dragon, but Varka ran a very effective smear campaign...
Enthralled wrote:Also @admins: Logging into the site on mobile doesn't really work at all unless you check the Remember me box.
That sounds strange. I tried it on my phone and recieved no issues. Are you sure its not a cookie issue on your side?
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I'm particularly fond of the "Everyone's a gangster until it's time to do gangster stuff." one.
Valcyrie wrote:Perhaps Ethology was a bit too politically correct or misphrased his reply, but the official reason given by the old host (Varka and his Bad Dragon company) is what Ethos said - that it wasnt worth his time and effort maintaining. Except for the fact that Varka hadnt set his foot in this community for years and had more or less nothing to do with it anymore. However part of the site's old history was used to slander him and in a real knee-jerk move he removed everything that could be a threat to his business. I would be more forgiving and understanding about the whole ordeal had he not turned us who staffed the site into scapegoats. This is why we don't have any backups of the old site either: Varka thrones upon all of it and despite my pleas and attempts to reason he refused to give us anything. The gallery is now mostly restored thanks to personal backups from really helpful members but the forum had to start over from a clean slate.
Wow, that's really shitty... :( Well, if it makes you feel any better, I didn't hear any of the smearing whatsoever. I was completely surprised when I found out Herpy had been shut down and reopened...
Valcyrie wrote:Suggestions are always welcome :3 If you have looked around a bit, especially in the last announcements, you will see that I'm trying to make this community "by creators, for creators (and appreciators!). Our resources are limited but we gotta start somewhere, right? The server we're hosted on is rather powerful and designed to handle a good deal of preassure once the community grows.

I've actually linked Herpy in 2 of the reddits you mentioned here, but perhaps we should post again. I'm not using reddit much though so if someone who is more familiar with the place and its rules is wanting to help it would be appreciated.
That's really good! If it isn't, I would host it off-shore too just to be safe, even though I'm sure nothing legally speaking will or even could happen. And always keep backups. Do weekly ones. I know it's a pain, but if an attack happens on the site files, it won't make any difference whatsoever this way.

As to the sub-reddits, posting is great but let's see if we can get into the sidebars. That's what we should be aiming for. There's pretty much no reason for the mods to deny us unless they're jerks but we'll see.
Valcyrie wrote:It makes me very happy to hear that! ^.-.^ Herpy has always been a special place for its members and those who come tend to stay. The whole reason I booted this whole new site back up was because of my love for this community. I have so many ties through many years of my life to it.
But why is this site/community so enticing? :o I mean, you could easily say it's just all the porn, but I can get that on FA and e621. I can get tons and tons of it there. But after all of that is said and done... I keep... Thinking of coming back here.
Valcyrie wrote:I think this can be a good idea, but I think we still have a pretty bad reputation among many people, despite it being undeserved. And as a member of staff people don't talk to me much anymore about what they think so I'm somewhat in the dark here. Perhaps more are willing to look into us now that we've fully broken away from Bad Dragon, but Varka ran a very effective smear campaign...
I'm really sorry about that... You and Ethos sound incredibly nice and you both seem to know what you're doing. Wow, I should stop ass-kissing here...

But yeah, just get in contact with them and simply politely ask. Don't even bring up what site this is. Only when they directly ask. Be professional and etc. etc. I'd do it myself for you all, but of course, I'm not working here in any official capacity whatsoever. Definitely best if you guys do it.
Valcyrie wrote:That sounds strange. I tried it on my phone and recieved no issues. Are you sure its not a cookie issue on your side?
You know what, it probably is on my end and stuff. Don't worry about it. :3

I have some more suggestions but I feel I should keep them to myself because I have a bad habit of taking charge when it's not my place. Also, I'm not nearly as familiar with this community as you guys are so I want to defer to you all for the rest of all this.

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